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  1. Dtwncbad

    1961

    Moderator can take down this thread because the initial post here really properly belongs in the Trout/Harper thread.
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    1961

    I guess I should have started the hypothetical with the word "imagine". . .
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    Trout/Harper

    I started a different thread without thinking about it first, but the post properly belongs here in this thread: Imagine it is the winter before 1961 and you own the Yankees. You have Mickey Mantle. Roger Maris is a free agent (I know FA didn't exist then, that's why I said imagine). You can pass on Maris and your finances look a little better or you can pay Maris a "stupid" amount and have Mantle and Maris. Had the Yankee owner been in that position, history would show that the benefit of having the sheer spectacle of Mantle and Maris would exceed the cost. Yes that team won over 100 games, but they did not win the WS. Very few remember how many games they won or if they won the WS or not. But they remember Mantle and Maris. That is entrenched in baseball legend and lore, and the Yankeen franchise benefitted from it greatly. Now imagine you are Arte Moreno in the winter heading into 2019 and you have Mike Trout (and are $30m under the luxury tax). . .
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    1961

    Imagine it is the winter before 1961 and you own the Yankees. You have Mickey Mantle. Roger Maris is a free agent (I know FA didn't exist then, that's why I said imagine). You can pass on Maris and your finances look a little better or you can pay Maris a "stupid" amount and have Mantle and Maris. Had the Yankee owner been in that position, history would show that the benefit of having the sheer spectacle of Mantle and Maris would exceed the cost. Yes that team won over 100 games, but they did not win the WS. Very few remember how many games they won or if they won the WS or not. But they remember Mantle and Maris. That is entrenched in baseball legend and lore, and the Yankeen franchise benefitted from it greatly. Now imagine you are Arte Moreno in the winter heading into 2019 and you have Mike Trout (and are $30m under the luxury tax). . .
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    Ottavino 3/27 to Yankees

    That all fine. I don't know how much I will spend this year. I am still watching to make up my mind. That 3 million fan streak is hanging on by a thread. I am one fan. The difference in my contribution between an 78 win team and a 88 win team is probably thousands of dollars.
  6. I didn't have interest in Gray before getting Cahill and Harvey, but now I do. Seems like the odds are long that both Cahill and Harvey will be successful for the Angels in 2019. But throw in Gray, and the hope is two out of the three have good years. That seems much more realistic. I wanted a beast top of the rotation starter. If that isn't going to happen then loading up on upside is better than just having some upside. Looks like the Pardes and A's are the rumored likely destination but it is also reported than many teams are in on him.
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    Trout/Harper

    This is why message boards sometimes suck. I was trying to say sometimes the stat geeks FAIL to realize the value of more emotional fans. I love stats, but I also just dig certain players with no statistical justification. Reggie Jackson had some years better than others. But he always was a star that drew fans and ratings and made it fun to watch a game. It would be easy for a stat geeks to miscalculate whether Reggie was worth his contract if they FAIL to see the pure emotional value of having a high profile (even controversial) star, even if they are not having their best year. Nothing in my post was valuing one type of fan over another. It was the exact opposite.
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    Trout/Harper

    Uh, never said that. I thought it was clear that I was saying some types of "hard core" fans forget there are other types of "hard core" fans. I'll tell you what. You describe the exact kind of fan you are and I will forever agree that YOUR type of fan can exclusively be called "hard core" and you can call me whatever kind of fan you want with no argument. Will that work?
  9. You guys can joke about this all you want but the actual, real world reality is he has easy access to that capital with all sorts of fairly simple structures with private investors or investment groups. It can be structured as debt (like most teams DO have) or equity or amlny combination. He can even structure it where Arte has the option of it ultimately being converted to debt or equity at ana fed upon future date or upon a financial event, whatever. The fact is the vast majority of other owners have less equity and more debt. Nobody is asking Arte to do anything stupid. Lots of teams are considered 100% sound financially carrying some debt. Debt is not bad if it achieves an important objective and does not threaten the health of the orgainzation. So it isn't unreasonable at all to consider something along these lines to achieve something worthwhile. It is Arte's team, so it is up to him. But if you bought a house for $180k, and you have it paid off (no debt) and it is now worth $2 million. . (Arte bought team for 180m and it's worth realistically about 2b). . .If you wanted to use a little equity to build a $200k pool it is not going to hurt you financially. And if the value of the franchise is increasing at a rate higher than the cost of the debt service expense, you are STILL getting wealthier every year. People freak out over debt as if all debt is bad, but smart wealthy people like to use debt against equity instead of selling equity if they want to continue to own more of the investment. All this presumes Arte doesn't have ample available cash on hand to increase salary expense. I personally have to believe he isn't cash poor and he would not have to use any debt against equity or sell any equity at all to be a little more aggressive in securing premium players. Unless Arte is personally cash poor, an annual negative cash flow for this team is not necessarily even a problem to solve when the value of the investment is crushing it year over year. Does a real estate investor get upset over a $500 a month negative cash flow on a property that is increasing in value by more than $20,000 every year? Does a car collector get upset of it costs him $5,000 per year to store and maintain a 1962 Ferrari when the value goes up $50k per year? The question is do they or dont they have the cash to keep going. If they do, no issue. If they don't it is an easy problem to solve as long as you have the capacity for properly used, useful debt.
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    Craziness... 3 way trade idea?

    So trade Simmons too?
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    Trout/Harper

    Maris might be about half as famous if he didn't play with Mantle. The Yankee teams of that time are more legendary with the Mantle/Maris storyline. That additional attention to that team helps Mantle's legend. Harper doesn't have to be the 2nd best player for the "pairing" to work. And addressing multiple posters here in the same response, no Trout doesn't need any help to boost his legend. But playing with Harper would. So he goes from the greatest ever to the greatest ever that is even more famous and even more appreciated and even more talked about. . .
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    Trout/Harper

    I think we more hard core fans sometimes can't see the forest for the trees. We get hung up on salary/WAR formulas and OPS+ value for the money, etc. What we hard core fans sometimes miss entirely is the pure emotion of the less hard core fans. And that really, really matters in terms of marketing, attendance, ratings, and ultimately building lifelong emotional attachment with fans. Bryce Harper is a huge, huge star. Having him would bring another large following to the team. Trout is the greatest treat I could imagine as a 52 year old Angel fan. But the Harper fan is probably a little bit different fan than me. Imagine it. Trout has already "won" the Trout/Harper debate. The most value for both of them, the Angels, and the fans is to put them in the same uniform.
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    Craziness... 3 way trade idea?

    Getting two more years of Trout isn't nothing.
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    Trout/Harper

    I know that Harper has a "different" personality, but as I think about signing Harper, I can theorize that it would really boost Trout's legendary legacy. Trout's quiet and composed disposition is part of his greatness. Very classy. Imagine how much more obvious and appreciated this would be next to the hair flipping Harper. Imagine Harper hitting behind Trout and how Trout's numbers would benefit. Just having that additional media magnet in Harper would bring a higher level of national attention to Trout. Some might say they don't want a media circus, but I am simply saying that bringing in Harper would be a huge net positive for the legend of Mike Trout historically. Plus I just about freak out at the idea of: 1). Leadoff whomever 2). Ohtani 3). Trout 4). Harper 5). Upton I mean that is bone chilling.
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    Ottavino 3/27 to Yankees

    Crap I misspelled his name in the title of the thread.