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Taliban takes advantage of Easter by killing at least 55 people at a Pakistani park. Victims were mostly women and children. A large number of the Christian community were gathered at the park on Easter Sunday. More than 150 injured.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/suicide-bomber-kills-least-52-mostly-women-kids-pakistan-park-n546231

Those bastards have ruined the world. Edited by failos

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They were run out if Palmyra and losing ground quickly along with their leadership. There will be more desperation attacks but the power they once held is diminishing. You can't have enemies on all borders and within your area of control. The world as a whole is pretty much fed up with their shit.

Or should I have said Shiite.

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Good sub story towards the end of that doc about bosnia. Thats a theater a lot of people have forgotten about. AQ made a big push to det up there in the early 90s, and luckily it didnt stick. The european muslims arent nearly as fanatic about things as in the ME. Theyre a lot more moderate and werent really into what AQ was preaching.

Question for debate, as bad as the govt of saudi arabia looks, after seeing iraq/libya/syria, etc, would it be in the best interest big picture wise to keep them in power?

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Question for debate, as bad as the govt of saudi arabia looks, after seeing iraq/libya/syria, etc, would it be in the best interest big picture wise to keep them in power?

 

Stability is key to that area but who are we to decide who rules a foreign country?

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Obviously we arent. But as of now, we have a business (oil, trade in the gulf) and strategic (iran, and again the gulf) partnership with the saudis. They buy arms from the west not so much to attack their neighbors, but more to stay in power. If say we pulled support and let them fall, would that be better? Im not saying it would or wouldnt be. Just for debate, as bad as this relationship is, is it better than the alternative?

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Obviously we arent. But as of now, we have a business (oil, trade in the gulf) and strategic (iran, and again the gulf) partnership with the saudis. They buy arms from the west not so much to attack their neighbors, but more to stay in power. If say we pulled support and let them fall, would that be better? Im not saying it would or wouldnt be. Just for debate, as bad as this relationship is, is it better than the alternative?

 

Iraq, Syria, Libya, Egypt, Afghanastan.  You get rid of the head, and the body has no idea what to do, and acts like a chicken.  To think, just a decade ago, you could go to Egypt, and the worst that could have happened is you got your pocket picked.  Really the same could be said about Syria.  Now, I don't even think that those countries will be part of your itinerary for foreign travel.  Heck, I wouldn't even go to Turkey.  And they are ripe to be the next to fall. 

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We may not like Erdogan but Turkey is one of the most secular Islamic countries in the world and one of the few great powers in NATO. They are an absolutely essential member of the alliance. They've been good allies largely.

As far the Saudis go, the collapse of the monarchy would be disaster in the short term. That is a fact. However, it can be argued that they are a significant piece of the radicalization problem. These oligarchies are huge drivers of radicalization. It is true that the royals are empowered by Wahhabis but they also also despised by far more violent fundamentalists (such as Isis) when we talk about Wahhabis it's a pretty wide spectrum of people and behaviors. It's definitely not a homogenous idea or group. We haven't even started talking about terribly suppressed progressives that also hate the monarchy.

Anywhere in the Middle East has potential for problems, but the UAE is pretty safe. Egypt from what I understand is fairly safe in Cairo/Alexandria, but quite dangerous in the Sinai and the western desert. Turkey, is also probably about as safe as any other European area. Excluding the Syrian border areas. They've had several attacks recently, but so has mainland Western Europe.

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The 2 holy mosques make Saudi Arabia a special case here. Any instability here would certainly get Iran heavily involved and turn it into a WWIII flashpoint. What that video showed does happen but it's not the norm. The norm here is people trying to live their lives just like everybody else. Those poor areas are mostly non-Saudis and although the matawa (religious police) are still a force they are getting steadily weaker. The Wahabbi influence is dwindling but it has to happen at its own pace. Too much outside pressure will cause a backlash and empower them even more.

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Speaking of Sunnis...

 

Watched the first half of this at the gym this morning. Gnar, man.

 

A buddy of mine is an engineer for Boeing. He works on Saudi, UAE and Swedeish stuff and goes to these places all the time. He's most uncomfortable in Saudi Arabia. From the airport to the car to a secured building. Everything is brought in for him. Not allowed to leave. 

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