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Official 2017 MLB Trade Deadline Thread

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Scotty@AW    3,096
40 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

None of them any good too. 

Yeah I thought the Tigers would do much better than that. I mean Fletcher, Rivas and Garcia may have topped that offer. I don't think we should've done that, just thinking the Tigers must not have had much interest.

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m0nkey    1,418
1 hour ago, Scott34 said:

That's quite a good deal for Arizona. 

Woah welcome back!

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floplag    608
43 minutes ago, Stradling said:

He is a rental.  The only way I am giving up 3 prospects from our organization, 2 being in our top 30, would be for a guy that will be here in the following season or two.  

... and that is why we never make these kind of deals and wont compete for the WC by the time its over.  
Lets be real, our farm is crap, 3 of almost any of them for a ML quality player is an upgrade.  
but no matter... i suspect the FO agrees with you and nothing will happen.  

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Scott34    524
47 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

Oh hey, @Scott34. It has been a while. 

How have you been? Hope life is treating you well. 

Hey Chuck. Everything is great thanks for asking.

Hope everything is good with you as well!

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Angel Oracle    5,557
2 minutes ago, floplag said:

... and that is why we never make these kind of deals and wont compete for the WC by the time its over.  
Lets be real, our farm is crap, 3 of almost any of them for a ML quality player is an upgrade.  
but no matter... i suspect the FO agrees with you and nothing will happen.  

But was it wise to trade Segura for a rental of Grienke?   Wasn't Segura ranked around #4 in the org at the time of that trade?

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Stradling    11,472
8 minutes ago, floplag said:

... and that is why we never make these kind of deals and wont compete for the WC by the time its over.  
Lets be real, our farm is crap, 3 of almost any of them for a ML quality player is an upgrade.  
but no matter... i suspect the FO agrees with you and nothing will happen.  

Our farm in general isn't great but the most recent drafts will develop some quality major leaguers. I certainly wouldn't trade a single top five guy in a package for JD Martinez when we are below .500 and he's got 2+ months of control.  Doing something like that in our situation would be idiotic. 

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Stradling    11,472
8 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

But was it wise to trade Segura for a rental of Grienke?   Wasn't Segura ranked around #4 in the org at the time of that trade?

That at least made sense.  We had a good team. 

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ettin    2,193
1 hour ago, CanadianHalo said:

 

 

 

Okay I have looked at all three of these prospects FanGraphs pages and some scouting reports and it is essentially three punchless middle infielders that play potentially above average defense at up-the-middle positions. Lugo might be a regular, Alcantara looks more like a utility guy and King might have some potential on-base ability. But it sure does seem like the Tigers, on paper, didn't come out too well here. I would have thought J.D. Martinez would have brought back a nice quality prospect.

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m0nkey    1,418

Yankees close to getting Frazier, Robertson, and kahnle from the white sox

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totdprods    2,580

All these deals happening may not give Eppler time to determine if they are to buy or sell. I had read they were weighing the next week's results heavily but by that point there may be even less out there to work with.

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ettin    2,193
1 minute ago, totdprods said:

All these deals happening may not give Eppler time to determine if they are to buy or sell. I had read they were weighing the next week's results heavily but by that point there may be even less out there to work with.

We are not really competing at the top end of the trade market. The pieces falling now are still bigger names so I think we are fine tot's.

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totdprods    2,580
6 minutes ago, ettin said:

We are not really competing at the top end of the trade market. The pieces falling now are still bigger names so I think we are fine tot's.

The Yankees were definite suitors for guys Norris, Hernandez, Petit. So we're the Nationals. Hard to see them being interested in paying much for our relievers right now. 

The big names that were one tier down that were maybe in our range? Belt, Gordon, Hernandez, etc? With big names, especially the big name cheaper rentals, off the board their price tag is soaring.

It is affecting us whether we were going to be hard sellers, sellers, buyers, cautious buyers...

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ettin    2,193
5 minutes ago, totdprods said:

The Yankees were definite suitors for guys Norris, Hernandez, Petit. So we're the Nationals. Hard to see them being interested in paying much for our relievers right now. 

The big names that were one tier down that were maybe in our range? Belt, Gordon, Hernandez, etc? With big names, especially the big name cheaper rentals, off the board their price tag is soaring.

I'm not so sure about that. The big names are big names for a reason: they tend to perform better than the next tier down. 1B, 2B, and 3B in particular seem to be softer markets right now too. Not many teams are looking to upgrade at those spots. Also the Nationals are still supposedly shopping for a 3rd bullpen arm (they are that bad) so a Maybin/RP may still be in the cards with them.

Also you have to consider the prices of the relievers involved. All of our rental BP guys are pretty damn cheap. I wouldn't be surprised if a smaller market team is showing a lot of interest while the higher priced guys go to the big market teams that can afford them.

I really think we should revisit this discussion a couple of days before July 31st to see where we are at I don't think it is as concerning as you may believe it is right now.

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totdprods    2,580
2 minutes ago, ettin said:

I'm not so sure about that. The big names are big names for a reason: they tend to perform better than the next tier down. 1B, 2B, and 3B in particular seem to be softer markets right now too. Not many teams are looking to upgrade at those spots. Also the Nationals are still supposedly shopping for a 3rd bullpen arm (they are that bad) so a Maybin/RP may still be in the cards with them.

Also you have to consider the prices of the relievers involved. All of our rental BP guys are pretty damn cheap. I wouldn't be surprised if a smaller market team is showing a lot of interest while the higher priced guys go to the big market teams that can afford them.

I really think we should revisit this discussion a couple of days before July 31st to see where we are at I don't think it is as concerning as you may believe it is right now.

That's kind of my point though - I don't think Eppler is ready to buy or sell right now, but with big names coming off the board they may be getting a lot more hits on their players right now when they're not sure if they should sell, or be feeling more pressure to strike before costs go up as teams start focusing more on the more under-the-radar types Eppler is likelier to target. 

A week from now those teams calling may have moved on. 

All I'm saying is things are moving quick and the Angels obviously wanted another week or so to decide.

 

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totdprods    2,580

It is going to be very fluid and can definitely reverse to their benefit too. Going to be a wild trade deadline I think.

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ettin    2,193
2 minutes ago, totdprods said:

That's kind of my point though - I don't think Eppler is ready to buy or sell right now, but with big names coming off the board they may be getting a lot more hits on their players right now when they're not sure if they should sell, or be feeling more pressure to strike before costs go up as teams start focusing more on the more under-the-radar types Eppler is likelier to target. 

A week from now those teams calling may have moved on. 

All I'm saying is things are moving quick and the Angels obviously wanted another week or so to decide.

 

But that is what I am trying to emphasize. The names that have come off the board (Quintana, Doolittle, and Martinez) were not ones that we had a really good chance at obtaining. Our market is developing now as we speak. We still have two full weeks left and the board almost always empties from the top down. If the Yankees get Robertson and Frazier we continue to approach the Bud Norris's and Cameron Maybin's of the world but we aren't quite there yet.

I think Eppler knows exactly whether he is a buyer or seller at this point based purely on the fact that he has made dozens of phone calls and knows what is and isn't available and what the buy or ask is on any particular player of interest. In fact if he hasn't made an initial assessment of the costs and buys involved in our potential trade chips and targets I would be disappointed in him. He knows what he can and cannot do and will act appropriately when the time is right and the market is ready for whatever transaction(s) he is ready to make.

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ettin    2,193
35 minutes ago, ettin said:

Okay I have looked at all three of these prospects FanGraphs pages and some scouting reports and it is essentially three punchless middle infielders that play potentially above average defense at up-the-middle positions. Lugo might be a regular, Alcantara looks more like a utility guy and King might have some potential on-base ability. But it sure does seem like the Tigers, on paper, didn't come out too well here. I would have thought J.D. Martinez would have brought back a nice quality prospect.

See?

EDIT: I feel like the Ralph Fiennes character in Red Dragon: "Dawel Lugo!!!! Do you see?!? .... Sergio Alcantara!!! Do you see?!?.... Jose King!!!! DO YOU SEE?!?" <Bites face off>

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floplag    608
1 hour ago, Stradling said:

Our farm in general isn't great but the most recent drafts will develop some quality major leaguers. I certainly wouldn't trade a single top five guy in a package for JD Martinez when we are below .500 and he's got 2+ months of control.  Doing something like that in our situation would be idiotic. 

Nor would i trade 3 top 5 guys... nor did they.  they traded 3 top 100s, 2 top 30 for a bat thats ranked in the top 10.  

 

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floplag    608
1 hour ago, Angel Oracle said:

But was it wise to trade Segura for a rental of Grienke?   Wasn't Segura ranked around #4 in the org at the time of that trade?

in hindsight, probably not.   At thi time.. i was 50/50.  Its obvious he never intended to reisgn so if we had known  that its a diff matter.  

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floplag    608
2 hours ago, Stradling said:

He is a rental.  The only way I am giving up 3 prospects from our organization, 2 being in our top 30, would be for a guy that will be here in the following season or two.  

a rental design to make the post... please dont leave that part out.    and a very good one at that.    But most here way over value prospects even over playoff appearances 

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Stradling    11,472
1 minute ago, floplag said:

Nor would i trade 3 top 5 guys... nor did they.  they traded 3 top 100s, 2 top 30 for a bat thats ranked in the top 10.  

 

I'm saying they gave up their number 4 prospect.  I wouldn't do that.  I wouldn't trade anyone in our top 5.  

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floplag    608
Just now, Stradling said:

I'm saying they gave up their number 4 prospect.  I wouldn't do that.  I wouldn't trade anyone in our top 5.  

So you put more value on a prospects than a shot at the post?  What is for example he was a quality 2B in our case?  i dont trade for that player specifically but its the situation im talking about... if this was a top 10 2B... you dont make that deal?  really? 

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Stradling    11,472
1 minute ago, floplag said:

So you put more value on a prospects than a shot at the post?  What is for example he was a quality 2B in our case?  i dont trade for that player specifically but its the situation im talking about... if this was a top 10 2B... you dont make that deal?  really? 

I'd make the deal for Martinez or a 2nd baseman if they were signed longer than the rest of this year.  I might even make the trade if we were above .500 and a game or so out, especially if we had pitching.

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floplag    608
1 minute ago, Stradling said:

I'd make the deal for Martinez or a 2nd baseman if they were signed longer than the rest of this year.  I might even make the trade if we were above .500 and a game or so out, especially if we had pitching.

So you want guarantees.  if hes signed that long you never get him for that price.  You know that.  Sometimes you have to take the risk you can sign them and of course it doesnt always work out.. 

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Stradling    11,472
8 minutes ago, floplag said:

So you want guarantees.  if hes signed that long you never get him for that price.  You know that.  Sometimes you have to take the risk you can sign them and of course it doesnt always work out.. 

Yes and that time is when you're a player away or you have a surplus of minor league talent, especially if their is redundancy in that talent.  The time to not do it is when you are 2 games under .500 and chasing 6 or 7 teams for the 2nd wild card.  

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Ace-Of-Diamonds    1,072

Ooo, Sosh says Franklin is here to fix production at second base. How many hits has had as an Angel. Two and hitting .111 in his first 9 games, so he is off to a hot start.

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totdprods    2,580
1 minute ago, Ace-Of-Diamonds said:

Ooo, Sosh says Franklin is here to fix production at second base. How many hits has had as an Angel. Two and hitting .111 in his first 9 games, so he is off to a hot start.

Seems like he's already gotten on base almost as many damn times as Espinosa ever did though. 

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Troll Daddy    2,851

I doubt they trade Yescobar or Maybin ... Revere possibly and a pitcher or two. Still almost 60 games left after the deadline. We also may have some added pitching help down the stretch.

'The show must go on'

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