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Official 2017 MLB Trade Deadline Thread

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ettin    2,193
38 minutes ago, ettin said:

But that is what I am trying to emphasize. The names that have come off the board (Quintana, Doolittle, and Martinez) were not ones that we had a really good chance at obtaining. Our market is developing now as we speak. We still have two full weeks left and the board almost always empties from the top down. If the Yankees get Robertson and Frazier we continue to approach the Bud Norris's and Cameron Maybin's of the world but we aren't quite there yet.

I think Eppler knows exactly whether he is a buyer or seller at this point based purely on the fact that he has made dozens of phone calls and knows what is and isn't available and what the buy or ask is on any particular player of interest. In fact if he hasn't made an initial assessment of the costs and buys involved in our potential trade chips and targets I would be disappointed in him. He knows what he can and cannot do and will act appropriately when the time is right and the market is ready for whatever transaction(s) he is ready to make.

To add one more item into this discussion: Every team has a list of needs/wants and what they think they can obtain and what that actually turns out to be.

For instance the Diamondbacks. Per the Methodology article the Diamondbacks were ranked 28th hitting against LHP. They were ranked dead last as of yesterday. Now Cameron Maybin would have helped them against LHP (or even Yunel Escobar) but when they asked around on different OF's with big right-handed bats and found out that the Tigers were dumb enough to want three punchless middle infielders they probably jumped for joy compared to what they may have had to deal for Maybin or other bats. Contracts and best offers/fits play a big role in how this stuff goes down.

The point is that different sellers are going to ask for prospects/players they have determined are best fits for them and the acquiring team, of course, decides if it is worth the price and that will be different for every combination of teams in their talks in all likelihood. Sometimes, like this Martinez trade, the stars align for a team like the D'backs who are going to need even more bats good against LHP if and when they face the Dodgers that are stocked with LHP.

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floplag    608
37 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Yes and that time is when you're a player away or you have a surplus of minor league talent, especially if their is redundancy in that talent.  The time to not do it is when you are 2 games under .500 and chasing 6 or 7 teams for the 2nd wild card.  

You do it when it can be done, you cant dictate that.    I hear you, i get it, but you dont get that deal in the off season in my opinion, thats all. 

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Stradling    11,472
6 minutes ago, floplag said:

You do it when it can be done, you cant dictate that.    I hear you, i get it, but you dont get that deal in the off season in my opinion, thats all. 

The guy is a free agent in three months.  If you want him sign him.  Don't trade good minor league players for rentals when you're below .500 and you're in desperate need of a farm system. 

Now if you give up a guy to go get a Gordon and you take on his contract, that makes sense.  

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floplag    608
6 minutes ago, Stradling said:

The guy is a free agent in three months.  If you want him sign him.  Don't trade good minor league players for rentals when you're below .500 and you're in desperate need of a farm system. 

Now if you give up a guy to go get a Gordon and you take on his contract, that makes sense.  

agreed, in a perfect world.  i just dont think its that simple.   If you have a chance to get a badly needed piece, you have to at least consider it regardless of the surrounding details 
you cant wait for it to be perfect and fall in your lap 

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Stradling    11,472
28 minutes ago, floplag said:

agreed, in a perfect world.  i just dont think its that simple.   If you have a chance to get a badly needed piece, you have to at least consider it regardless of the surrounding details 
you cant wait for it to be perfect and fall in your lap 

But you don't do it at a trade deadline with a below average team with a rental.  

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floplag    608
12 minutes ago, Stradling said:

But you don't do it at a trade deadline with a below average team with a rental.  

If thats the time you can do it why not?  For that cost?  I think you have to go with what presents itself when it presents, not on your time when its convenient or makes perfect sense.   We disagree, all good.   I just feel like this club is going to need to think outside the box to improve sooner rather than later. 

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beatlesrule    761

I don't know how to go back and search but I was against trading away Segura even if we did end up signing Zack which I was also very pessimistic about.  From everything I saw from him and read about him, he was a legit player that was the best of the bunch of INF we had.  Over and done with though.  I have no idea how anyone here could be clamoring to trade away what very LITTLE we have prospect wise and bring in a player to help us get the 2nd wild card.  This season, like last, is a lost cause.  If you can trade away starters and replace them with some young guys like Cowart, then sign some players in FA or use the players we got in trades to upgrade along with signing FA, we might actually have a shot at the division next year.

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Stradling    11,472
14 minutes ago, floplag said:

If thats the time you can do it why not?  For that cost?  I think you have to go with what presents itself when it presents, not on your time when its convenient or makes perfect sense.   We disagree, all good.   I just feel like this club is going to need to think outside the box to improve sooner rather than later. 

It's no about "that cost" it's about what it would cost us.  If we gave up our number 4 prospect for him that's a future everyday player for three months of Martinez.  

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floplag    608
11 hours ago, Stradling said:

It's no about "that cost" it's about what it would cost us.  If we gave up our number 4 prospect for him that's a future everyday player for three months of Martinez.  

You assume they will be "a future everyday player"... most that have come thru the system have not been that, its certainly not a guarantee. 

you may be snakebit on contracts, im snakebit on "cant miss prospects" that have missed by a mile and in my opinion have been largely over valued.  Do i really need to list the names of the supposed cant miss guys that have missed in the last 5-10 years for us?  Assuming that the prospect will be any type of guarantee is simply not a fair argument. especially with a farm like ours... our #5 might not make another farms top 20 for example. 

Again im not suggesting we should have gotten Martinez, but would i trade that prospect for a shot at a long term 2B solution, yes i would even if it was a possible rental as there is zero guarantee that the prospect will ever be anything while the other is a proven commodity.

Again we simply disagree and value the things differently, im concerned with winning in Trouts prime, you are more willing to be patient. 

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ettin    2,193
1 minute ago, totdprods said:

I'd definitely be interested in Refsnyder.

He might be a potential solution in LF or at 1B. His defense is not good at 2B so I seriously doubt that is an option, but yeah I could see a claim or a minor trade to acquire him.

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totdprods    2,580
3 minutes ago, ettin said:

He might be a potential solution in LF or at 1B. His defense is not good at 2B so I seriously doubt that is an option, but yeah I could see a claim or a minor trade to acquire him.

I've kind of expected Petit or Hernandez for someone like Refsnyder for awhile.

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CanadianHalo    930

Maikel Franco has started off nice since the ASB. The guys on MLB Network said he made a change to his swing?

Really want to take a "buy low" flier on him and move Yunel to 1st.

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totdprods    2,580
4 minutes ago, CanadianHalo said:

Maikel Franco has started off nice since the ASB. The guys on MLB Network said he made a change to his swing?

Really want to take a "buy low" flier on him and move Yunel to 1st.

I've kinda wondered if we could pull something big with the Phils involving two of Franco, Herrera, or Hernandez. It'd take a significant prospect package from the Angels, but could clear some salary for the Phils and give the Angels two young players at positions in need with significant upside before the offseason. 

Those players' ages are 24-27. They're virtually prospects, and I'd be fine sacrificing some for them.

Awfully risky for the cost. We'd have to trust Eppler's scouts big time.

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jsnpritchett    1,504
2 minutes ago, CanadianHalo said:

Maikel Franco has started off nice since the ASB. The guys on MLB Network said he made a change to his swing?

Really want to take a "buy low" flier on him and move Yunel to 1st.

The Phillies don't have much of an incentive to sell low on him, though. He's young, doesn't cost much, and is controllable for 4 years.  That's exactly the type of player they need to be building around, even if he's having a down year.

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totdprods    2,580

Mariners sending their #6 prospect, Brayan Hernandez, along with three additional prospects, to the Marlins for David Phelps.

Last three aren't expected to be top prospects, but still a lot of farm to give up for a reliever. 

Edit: it will be their #6, #16 (Brandon Miller), and #22 (Pablo Lopez) ranked prospects plus one non-ranked for Phelps.

@Scotty@AW can probably school me on this, but a glance it looks like something comparable to Hermosillo, Jesus Castillo, Jose Rodriguez, and a random no-namer.

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totdprods    2,580
Just now, Angel Oracle said:

Dipeutered being Dipeutered.   I bet Phelps is a rental too?

Off top of head I think he has one more arb year before FA.

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eligrba    1,402
3 hours ago, Troll Daddy said:

 

Between your current obsession with balls and now this, is everything ok?

Hey, it's cool.....any port in a storm but your trolling has been off topic lately.

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On 7/20/2017 at 8:50 AM, totdprods said:

Eppler should be asking Dipoto what he'd give up for Chavez and Nolasco. 

If Dipoto was still with the Angels, he would give the Mariners four of the Angels top 10 prospects for Nolasco and Chavez.if the shoe was on the other foot. 

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