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Trout is a big time power bat now. Seventeen solo shots is unacceptable imo. He needs to be in more RBI situations. Angels need to bat Simmons second with Trout, Upton, and Pujols following. 

 

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It's pretty simple...people need to be on base when he's up so he can have RBI opportunities and so far this season he hasn't had many of those.

I'm fine with Simba batting lead-off, as Simmons has the best shot of anyone in the line-up right now of getting base ahead of Trout, but he's injured and no one else in the line-up has a decent OBP apart from Trout himself and Justin Upton at .340.  Maybe have Upton lead off...why not?

 

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The problem still remains, we don't have an acceptable lead off hitter.  Kinsler is not consistent enough.  Maybe Fletcher can develop into that guy, but it is too much to put on his plate at this moment.

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Yes, obviously. No, it probably won't happen because that would mean El Catorce moving El Mang to 5.

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Just now, tomsred said:

The problem still remains, we don't have an acceptable lead off hitter.  Kinsler is not consistent enough.  Maybe Fletcher can develop into that guy, but it is too much to put on his plate at this moment.

Kinsler is a sub-.300 OBP hitter, he shouldn't be near the lead-off spot.  Fletcher should be given a shot 

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Well, when you only have one guy who can hit, it's generally hard to be hitting when people are on base.

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6 hours ago, Ace-Of-Diamonds said:

Simmons, Upton, Trout.

...and then a black hole until the top of the order comes around again.

I am excited about Fletcher and JMF however. Are there more kids ready to bring up?

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10 minutes ago, fan_since79 said:

...and then a black hole until the top of the order comes around again.

I am excited about Fletcher and JMF however. Are there more kids ready to bring up?

Thaiss and Ward would be next in line for position players.

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In terms of the line-up in general, I want Trout batting 2nd regardless of who else is in it.  Find some guys, any really that can get on base batting 9th and 1st so there is a greater chance of someone being on when he bats and just accept that any thing after is a toss up.

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9 hours ago, robblin17 said:

Yes, obviously. No, it probably won't happen because that would mean El Catorce moving El Mang to 5.

Thata not the problem (its a seperate problem). The problem with trouts solo homers is nobody on base in front of him, not the old man behind him.

 

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Do something, it’s a total joke that your star has 23 HRs and is not even to 50 rbis yet!

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Kinsler

Simmons

Trout

Upton

Pujols

Cozart

JMF/Fletcher-DH (JMF 1b when Pujols is DH)

Blackhole

Maldonado

 

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It's not gonna matter.  151 of his 224 career hrs are solo shots.  you put guys on in front of him and he'll just walk more and hit fewer hrs.  they just won't pitch to him.  

lineup protection may or may not be a myth, but you definitely can't protect Trout.  When would a pitcher ever choose to face Trout over any other player?  

Yesterday was a perfect example.  Teams are going to be willing to move the other runners up into better scoring position if it means negating his power.  

By moving him down you're exchanging his power for more obp and taking away 20 at bats for each spot down.  If you move him to 4th and he has 40 less plate appearances, that 7 fewer walks, 3 fewer hrs, 2 fewer doubles and 10 fewer hits overall.  He also scores fewer runs because there's no one to drive him in.  

Look at 2015 vs. 2016.  

2015 he hit a bunch of solos shots with a 991 ops

2016 he had more opps with guys on base and hit 29hrs with a .441 obp and 991 ops.  

He's on a different level this year than those seasons, so who knows what would really happen.  My guess is that he'd walk 200 times.  

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24 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

It's not gonna matter.  151 of his 224 career hrs are solo shots.  you put guys on in front of him and he'll just walk more and hit fewer hrs.  they just won't pitch to him.  

lineup protection may or may not be a myth, but you definitely can't protect Trout.  When would a pitcher ever choose to face Trout over any other player?  

Yesterday was a perfect example.  Teams are going to be willing to move the other runners up into better scoring position if it means negating his power.  

I think if Ohtani comes back, and hits well again, teams would not walk Trout if Shohei hits behind him.  Teams would give Trout a steady diet of fastballs up and in instead.

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10 hours ago, Ace-Of-Diamonds said:

Simmons, Upton, Trout.

I would replace Simmons with Fletcher until Simmons gets back.

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Didn't Eckstein immediately hit leadoff when debuting as a MLB player and Halos 2B in 2001?  

Fletcher has a lot of the same traits.

When Simba heals: Fletcher (3B), Simba, Trout, Upton, Pujols, Valbuena/JMF, Kinsler (7th = best spot in his career), RF hole, Machete  

Cozart = world's most expensive utility guy, until he can actually hit again! 

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26 minutes ago, BackUpTheTruck said:

I think if Ohtani comes back, and hits well again, teams would not walk Trout if Shohei hits behind him.  Teams would give Trout a steady diet of fastballs up and in instead.

sure they'd walk him.  a ton.  especially Lhers.  they try to pitch him up and or in now.  but you can't do that with every pitch and pitchers make mistakes which is why he's got an ops or 1.100.  Ohtani is doing a nice job but every pitcher on the planet would rather face Shohei over Trout.  

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Why not have JMF lead off?

Then:

Simmons

Trout

Upton

Poo

Cozart

Kinsler/Fletcher

Young/Calhoun?

Maldy

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Fletcher reminds me a bit of Eckstein. His bat early in the lineup could reap some interesting benefits.

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4 hours ago, Angel Oracle said:

Do something, it’s a total joke that your star has 23 HRs and is not even to 50 rbis yet!

IMHO one of the reasons Trout has so few rbi is because he's batting second most of the time..the dude needs to bat third.

It might only make a minor difference with this current team but that's my take.

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9 hours ago, fan_since79 said:

...and then a black hole until the top of the order comes around again.

I am excited about Fletcher and JMF however. Are there more kids ready to bring up?

Maybe but the point of baseball is to score runs. If Trout has runners on when he bats the odds of scoring more runs go way up. I would rather have 3 players with the best chance of getting on bunched together than getting 1 runner on in every inning and being stranded because the better hitters are separated throughout the line up.

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5 hours ago, BackUpTheTruck said:

I would replace Simmons with Fletcher until Simmons gets back.

Simmons is eligible to return Saturday.

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After some thought ... Simmons (.399 OBP)should be our leadoff hitter with Kinsler up next.

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There is no point in batting Trout third when you don't have a single above average bat to hit ahead of him. At this point they should be considering batting him leadoff before even considering third. At least of he can maximize his on base skill and his base running while giving the losers behind him three chances to drive him in.

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