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1 minute ago, Stradling said:

Now I’m starting to believe the Yankees have moved on from Machado. 

Going to be interesting seeing how the Harper and Machado situations come to a conclusion. You'd think the White Sox are either not appealing to Manny or aren't offering enough money, or else they would have swayed him by now. Similarly, Harper. 
 

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Just now, Inside Pitch said:

Can't blame them if they have moved on .... Douche-ado, supposedly still wants Giancarlo Stanton money.

The problem with that is that even Stanton shouldnt have gotten Stanton money.  Its telling to me that the first season he got to the AL hes already a primary DH.  Damn good one dont get me wrong but man, thats a hefty price for a one dimensional player. 

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Thought I guess the Yankees should still never be ruled out. They could always whip up a trade with Andujar or Sanchez still for Realmuto or another SP. 

Still would not be surprised if the Angels wind up touching base with Manny or Harper, more likely Manny. Not that it's my preference at this point, but if neither player is going to be overwhelmed or overpaid into going to Chicago or Philly, maybe a lesser or competitive deal from Anaheim is of mild interest. Front-load it with opt-outs, frame it like the JD Martinez deal.

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2 minutes ago, Stradling said:

I do think the Angels will touch base with Machado. 

To try and get Manny wouldn't they  take have to  move Cozart for added $$ also to move Cozart would it cost us a prospect(Marsh, J.Jones)?

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3 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Am I wrong in thinking that with all these short deals were going to soon see less money per year on these short deals because we will have more free agents each year thus having more supply and the same demand?

Certainly seems logical, the norm was always more for shorter term but if this one year things is becoming this common one would assume that will change. 
Ill be honest im not sure any of this makes a lot of sense to me, its certainly a huge shift in the norms.   So far all weve seen this off season has been long term overpays or one year deals it seems. 
Its almost like the teams arent looking to commit to anything past the labor contract which i believe only has another 2 years?
IDK at this point im legit perplexed. 

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10 minutes ago, popo85 said:

To try and get Manny wouldn't they  take have to  move Cozart for added $$ also to move Cozart would it cost us a prospect(Marsh, J.Jones)?

They'd just move Cozart to 2B. Fletcher would be the UT IF or go to AAA.

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16 minutes ago, Stradling said:

I do think the Angels will touch base with Machado. 

If no one is even getting close to $300m, and it was even money between the White Sox and Angels, I'd have to think Manny would be more interested going somewhere that's immediately competitive. Front-load it and give him an opt-out after 2020 season so it aligns with Trout's FA and after 2021, so it aligns with Pujols' contract ending and a potentially Trout/Betts-less FA market or after 2022 - because the 2021 FA SS class is currently bonkers (Story, Lindor, Correa, Seager)

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4 minutes ago, floplag said:

The problem with that is that even Stanton shouldnt have gotten Stanton money.  Its telling to me that the first season he got to the AL hes already a primary DH.  Damn good one dont get me wrong but man, thats a hefty price for a one dimensional player. 

Stanton at 25 mil per is a really good value.  He was at DH last year for the same reason Darin Erstad played 1B for two years.... because the Yankees have a really good group of two way OFers.  Stanton was good for 10 DRS his final year in Miami and 46 for his career.  To put that into perspective, Kole Calhoun's best DRS season was last year when he put up 11, and he's at 51 for his career.  Pretty much all the defensive metrics paint a pretty solid picture of Stanton.... 

He will likely be back in the OF full-time the second Brett Gardner's contract expires.  

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Just now, Chuckster70 said:

According to my birdie, they already did. That said, I don't know where it went from there. 

As that was much earlier in the process im assuming that 300 number was tossed out to which Eppler likely found a reason to get off the call.
As things stand today, short of Phi making good on thier "stupid money" promise, i dont think he gets 300 at this point its clear there isnt enough demand to support that figure. 

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28 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

Can't blame them if they have moved on .... Douche-ado, supposedly still wants Giancarlo Stanton money.

I'm still baffled how Harper might get way more money than Machado. As much of a douche as he is, he's a wayyyyyy better player than Harper is. Offensively and defensively. 

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1 minute ago, floplag said:

As that was much earlier in the process im assuming that 300 number was tossed out to which Eppler likely found a reason to get off the call.
As things stand today, short of Phi making good on thier "stupid money" promise, i dont think he gets 300 at this point its clear there isnt enough demand to support that figure. 

After all the mid-tier acquisitions the Phillies have made, you have to wonder if they still have the same amount of 'stupid money' to work with. 

I'd also think that because neither Harper or Machado seem too enamored with Philly, they might be rethinking their strategy and wondering if it'd be better to wait for Trout.

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3 minutes ago, floplag said:

As that was much earlier in the process im assuming that 300 number was tossed out to which Eppler likely found a reason to get off the call.
As things stand today, short of Phi making good on thier "stupid money" promise, i dont think he gets 300 at this point its clear there isnt enough demand to support that figure. 

Watch Machado get $275M and Harper gets $325M. My mind will explode on how the hell a shittier player got more money. 

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3 minutes ago, angelsnationtalk said:

Watch Machado get $275M and Harper gets $325M. My mind will explode on how the hell a shittier player got more money. 

i'm hoping for a 1 year 6.75 M contract from the Pirates to rebuild his value next year.

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2 minutes ago, angelsnationtalk said:

I'm still baffled how Harper might get way more money than Machado. As much of a douche as he is, he's a wayyyyyy better player than Harper is. Offensively and defensively. 

Character flaws have always sunk a guys value... not arguing It's fair, but MLB has always clung to stuff like that.  Some guys managed to stick around forever because people viewed them as gamers etc etc...    The biggest thing aiding Harper.... He has that 10 War season under his belt...  

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6 minutes ago, angelsnationtalk said:

Watch Machado get $275M and Harper gets $325M. My mind will explode on how the hell a shittier player got more money. 

It's all about ceiling. Machado is obviously the superior player when it comes to being well-rounded offensively and defensively, and at specialized positions, but he's averaged Justin Upton-esque offense in seven season. Very good, and still with a ceiling of .900 - 1.000 OPS in reach, but Harper has shown the ability to go far above that as a peak and land in Mike Trout offensive territory. Barry Bonds, roid-enhanced of course, trended up sharply at 27, and I'm sure many teams think that's still to come.

It's much harder seeing Machado put up a 1.100 OPS and 199 OPS+ like Harper already has once and could easily do consistently through his prime if he gets it together. 

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1 minute ago, Inside Pitch said:

Stanton at 25 mil per is a really good value.  He was at DH last year for the same reason Darin Erstad played 1B for two years.... because the Yankees have a really good group of two way OFers.  Stanton was good for 10 DRS his final year in Miami and 46 for his career.  To put that into perspective, Kole Calhoun's best DRS season was last year when he put up 11, and he's at 51 for his career.  Pretty much all the defensive metrics paint a pretty solid picture of Stanton.... 

He will likely be back in the OF full-time the second Brett Gardner's contract expires.  

Im curious on that, id like to see the breakdown of each number within DRS.  Was it due to arm, or glove, or actual fielding ability and positioning?  I dont recall him being the most nimble out there which considering the yankees thought the other guys were better options makes me wonder how he parsed that well. 

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