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4 hours ago, beatlesrule said:

5. The MLBPA failed to address this trend in the last CBA

MLB and the union (MLBPA) forged the latest collective bargaining agreement (CBA) soon after the end of the 2016 season, and it will be in effect until Dec. 1, 2021. As is typically the case, the MLBPA negotiated a modest increase to the minimum salary but otherwise focused on quality-of-life issues such as chefs in the clubhouse, four additional off days during the regular season, earlier start times on getaway days and the like. Going the other way, the players allowed owners to cap international signing bonuses and make tweaks to the competitive balance tax structure. What the MLBPA didn't do was address the outdated salary structure. 

 

this shows just how dumb the MLBPA is. the owners must laugh their asses off during negotiations 

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7 hours ago, Lou said:

5. The MLBPA failed to address this trend in the last CBA

MLB and the union (MLBPA) forged the latest collective bargaining agreement (CBA) soon after the end of the 2016 season, and it will be in effect until Dec. 1, 2021. As is typically the case, the MLBPA negotiated a modest increase to the minimum salary but otherwise focused on quality-of-life issues such as chefs in the clubhouse, four additional off days during the regular season, earlier start times on getaway days and the like. Going the other way, the players allowed owners to cap international signing bonuses and make tweaks to the competitive balance tax structure. What the MLBPA didn't do was address the outdated salary structure. 

 

this shows just how dumb the MLBPA is. the owners must laugh their asses off during negotiations 

Marvin Miller >>>>>> current MLBPA heads...

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4 hours ago, Inside Pitch said:

the MLBPA negotiated a modest increase to the minimum salary but otherwise focused on quality-of-life issues such as chefs in the clubhouse...

They gave away millions to have someone make them a sammich. Dumbasses. 

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To be fair, the MLBPA only acts as a representative of the players wants and needs. They do not dictate the direction front offices and ownership goes because they're designed for smaller picture needs, and not larger scope needs.

That's why we are seeing them pivot and start to get involved in something more large scale than simply how players are treated and provided for.

And I think that's why you're going to see some serious problems in a couple years. You know owners are not going to give up that power. Why would they? The only thing that's going to make them listen is if the players are unified and ready to go on strike. That's the equivalent of a suicide bomber with a nuke. You can't negotiate with that at all, because he's willing to sacrifice himself as long as it gets you too.

There is a very fine line that owners and players must toe now. One that involves the owners not giving up and large scale power and control while also making the MLBPA feel like they're being heard.

Ultimately it's bad for the game regardless. Ideal world results in teams not tanking but spending aggressively, a higher floor payroll, a higher wage for minor leaguers, an international draft, trading of draft picks and innovative ways to speed up the pace of play. But very little of that will occur while players and owners are going to war with each other focused on something small picture like making sure free agents get paid.

If you focus on the root cause, then player wages will take care of themselves. 

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14 minutes ago, Troll Daddy said:

Sounds like he’ll be a Yankee if it’s for seven years 

And there will be trades....they are overloaded in the INF...

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21 hours ago, Lou said:

5. The MLBPA failed to address this trend in the last CBA

MLB and the union (MLBPA) forged the latest collective bargaining agreement (CBA) soon after the end of the 2016 season, and it will be in effect until Dec. 1, 2021. As is typically the case, the MLBPA negotiated a modest increase to the minimum salary but otherwise focused on quality-of-life issues such as chefs in the clubhouse, four additional off days during the regular season, earlier start times on getaway days and the like. Going the other way, the players allowed owners to cap international signing bonuses and make tweaks to the competitive balance tax structure. What the MLBPA didn't do was address the outdated salary structure. 

 

this shows just how dumb the MLBPA is. the owners must laugh their asses off during negotiations 

I remember reading something after the deal was made where a reporter asked Tony Clark if he was concerned about not getting any concessions from ownership in the area of salary structure. Clark reacted as if he didn’t understand what he could possibly be talking about. His focus was clearly on the top tier contracts and little else.

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16 hours ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

I remember reading something after the deal was made where a reporter asked Tony Clark if he was concerned about not getting any concessions from ownership in the area of salary structure. Clark reacted as if he didn’t understand what he could possibly be talking about. His focus was clearly on the top tier contracts and little else.

That's because he's a fool

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20 hours ago, Second Base said:

To be fair, the MLBPA only acts as a representative of the players wants and needs. They do not dictate the direction front offices and ownership goes because they're designed for smaller picture needs, and not larger scope needs.

 

huh? 

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44 minutes ago, Troll Daddy said:

 

this is why the players are delusional.  through age 36 as a good performance window.  sure.  If you're a HOF candidate.  

really?  you have to play with him to know if he's a good teammate?  I'm sure collecting intel has no bearing.  

Your union collectively bargained for you to have gourmet meals in the clubhouse when they should have been analyzing data to help predict how every single team in baseball in functioning.  How they are all throwing millions of dollars at crunching numbers.  How business people are looking to make efficient use of their money.  

And you cry foul because your representation (MLBPA and agents) has decided to focus on the wrong things?  

How about you work to have the people who can actually enact change focus on your professional career as a business and not as a commodity.  

The players have the owners herding divas instead of respecting their importance and appropriately compensating their abilities.  They could have easily avoided this if they had recognized where their representation should have been fighting for them.  

Instead, they can enjoy their post game lobster buffet and suite at the plaza.  

Major league players and all profession athletes are not novelties.  They are business owners.  They need to act as such.  If you are paying 10-20% of your salary for someone to run your business and they are feeding you BS then they better find someone who won't.  

The players are likely not being compensated as much as they should but to blame the guy with the checkbook for not paying more when they don't have to is just plain dumb.  

This problem is on the players, the mlbpa, and the agents.  Not the business owners who see an opportunity to obtain value.  

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Then again, it's not like you can take your services elsewhere as a player, with comparable compensation. The MLB anti-trust exemption insures this. The media contracts cement it. 

The owners are holding most of the cards.

 

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26 minutes ago, WeatherWonk said:

Then again, it's not like you can take your services elsewhere as a player, with comparable compensation. The MLB anti-trust exemption insures this. The media contracts cement it. 

The owners are holding most of the cards.

 

which is why they have a union.  the structure is there for stuff like this not to happen.  

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It's not like those two, or Keuchel or Kimbrel, haven't had offers. From what we've heard they've had pretty huge offers including a 10 year offer for Harper to stay with Washington. If they're all holding out for the best possible situation then good on them and I hope they get it but they should be recognizing that the times they are a changin

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