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2020 Democratic Field

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1 minute ago, fan_since79 said:

"Hey Halo Man! 70 percent! Cough it up!"

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What she has proposed is a 70% marginal tax rate that triggers at 10 million dollars.  Come on man.  This is what they fuc*king do.  They lie about everything.  Where’d you pick this up ? Breitbart ? The Daily Wire ? 

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4 hours ago, UndertheHalo said:

Come on man.  I don’t support the wall.  I accept that it’s an issue that Trump got elected on.  And I think that if Trump wants the Democrats to work with him on it, he should give them concessions that their voters want. 

Im not opposed to compromising.  Does this make me a hypocrite or something ?

 

4 hours ago, Lou said:

own it! 

 

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2 hours ago, jessecrall said:

I keep seeing people on here and elsewhere talking up Democrats who can appeal to "moderates," or conservatives who don't like Trump, ignoring the fact that the Dems spent 2016 chasing moderates, failed to land them and alienated parts of their base. What do Wisconsin, Ohio, Michigan & Pennsylvania have a lot of? Union workers and college students. Who can appeal to them? Lefties. If Sherrod Brown can win Ohio and Tammy Baldwin, a progressive, pro-single-payer lesbian can win Wisconsin by DOUBLE DIGITS, it's crazy for Democrats to think they need some big tent, half-assed, watered-down candidate who yammers about the need for bipartisanship and common ground and then watches all the moderates they courted fall in line with Trump because they like tax cuts and dislike immigration. Court disillusioned voters, young voters, poor voters...people who are on your side but not necessarily inclined to make the effort to vote. Trump landed JUST enough in the right spots to win. Democrats can easily do the same if they run FOR progressive issues as opposed to AGAINST Trump.

Meh that’s likely to get the 50 million sane people in this country who acknowledge there is no discernible difference between Dems and Reps to vote Trump

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49 minutes ago, Adam said:

Meh that’s likely to get the 50 million sane people in this country who acknowledge there is no discernible difference between Dems and Reps to vote Trump

So you're saying that if a progressive Democrat gets the nomination, you expect Trump to get 113 million votes?

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8 hours ago, jessecrall said:

So you're saying that if a progressive Democrat gets the nomination, you expect Trump to get 113 million votes?

I expect moderates and independents to either vote trump or stay home.  I would also expect his base to be even more fired up.

A moderate dem wins 2020 IMO.

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53 minutes ago, mtangelsfan said:

I expect moderates and independents to either vote trump or stay home.  I would also expect his base to be even more fired up.

A moderate dem wins 2020 IMO.

Trump's approval rating is 15 points underwater and a moderate lost to him in 2016. I don't understand why media figures and even Democrats underestimate how popular progressive policies are when they're presented effectively.

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9 hours ago, jessecrall said:

So you're saying that if a progressive Democrat gets the nomination, you expect Trump to get 113 million votes?

Yeah I was totally being literal

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1 minute ago, jessecrall said:

Trump's approval rating is 15 points underwater and a moderate lost to him in 2016. I don't understand why media figures and even Democrats underestimate how popular progressive policies are when they're presented effectively.

"A moderate Dem lost to him."

Lol. She might be the worst moderate Dem to ever exist.

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13 hours ago, jessecrall said:

Sanders is the best option even though he's 131 years old

There are too many HRC partisans in the part who loathe anything Sanders, especially by women, who blame him almost as much as Trump for her loss. It's not rational but a deeply personal emotional response by many. Someone similar to Sanders who doesn't have that baggage could do quite well though. 

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Call her whatever you want but she alienated some middle America voters by ignoring them all together because apparently she thought she could win without them.  "Mi abuela" was also pretty damn funny and made her seem even more stuffy and white than she really is.  They're all full of crap but she was the embodiment of the lifetime politician who most people can't relate to and watching her try is painfully funny.  

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23 minutes ago, jessecrall said:

Trump's approval rating is 15 points underwater and a moderate lost to him in 2016. I don't understand why media figures and even Democrats underestimate how popular progressive policies are when they're presented effectively.

A moderate/pseudo-Republican in HRC who the right wing machine effectively portrayed as a socialist to their base. While a candidate more left of center will certainly energize the Democratic base and perhaps do the best, let's not discount what the RWM could against someone who actually IS sympathetic to socialism.

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