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Dont hold your breath on an Angels-Arenado signing next year

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Arenado would be smart to sign an extension because I think the Rockies will probably give him the highest offer anyways like the Nats did for Harper.

He's a Coor's Field product anyways so it makes sense for him to stay there.

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Personally I’d rather we spend any FA $$$ next year on pitching. 

I still think Trout will re-sign. Simmons likely as well. Upton will be here and will be solid. Ohtani will hit. I think Adell will hit. All we need from that is a little bit of luck with maybe two of the group from Ward, Thaiss, Rengifo, Fletcher, and Jones becoming at least average MLB hitters and we’d have a pretty solid offense. 

I’m not as confident in our SP core for the next 1-3 years. Skaggs hits FA in that time, and we should expect bumps for Barria, Suarez, Sandoval, and Canning - and injury risk will always be there. 

There’s a big SP crop next year. Signing an arm or two, especially someone with some frontline capability, would probably help us more.

I’d rather roll the dice on more of our hitting prospects right now - we have a lot more than imminent SP prospects.

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18 minutes ago, totdprods said:

Personally I’d rather we spend any FA $$$ next year on pitching. 

I still think Trout will re-sign. Simmons likely as well. Upton will be here and will be solid. Ohtani will hit. I think Adell will hit. All we need from that is a little bit of luck with maybe two of the group from Ward, Thaiss, Rengifo, Fletcher, and Jones becoming at least average MLB hitters and we’d have a pretty solid offense. 

I’m not as confident in our SP core for the next 1-3 years. Skaggs hits FA in that time, and we should expect bumps for Barria, Suarez, Sandoval, and Canning - and injury risk will always be there. 

There’s a big SP crop next year. Signing an arm or two, especially someone with some frontline capability, would probably help us more.

I’d rather roll the dice on more of our hitting prospects right now - we have a lot more than imminent SP prospects.

I think successful teams in this era have a concentration on offense. Yes, pitching is important, but primarily you have to score runs.

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At this point i expect nothing of any significance till current large value contract are off the books.  We simply dont have the funds to do anything else if we are to believe the whole stretched budget dialog.

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50 minutes ago, Torridd said:

I think successful teams in this era have a concentration on offense. Yes, pitching is important, but primarily you have to score runs.

I agree with this all the way, though most wont.  

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1 hour ago, totdprods said:

Personally I’d rather we spend any FA $$$ next year on pitching. 

I still think Trout will re-sign. Simmons likely as well. Upton will be here and will be solid. Ohtani will hit. I think Adell will hit. All we need from that is a little bit of luck with maybe two of the group from Ward, Thaiss, Rengifo, Fletcher, and Jones becoming at least average MLB hitters and we’d have a pretty solid offense. 

I’m not as confident in our SP core for the next 1-3 years. Skaggs hits FA in that time, and we should expect bumps for Barria, Suarez, Sandoval, and Canning - and injury risk will always be there. 

There’s a big SP crop next year. Signing an arm or two, especially someone with some frontline capability, would probably help us more.

I’d rather roll the dice on more of our hitting prospects right now - we have a lot more than imminent SP prospects.

Cole makes even more sense now, especially that he would be reunited with Doug White and would still be young enough to sign to a large enough deal.

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30 minutes ago, Stradling said:

I guess players no longer want to play close to home.  Good news for us signing Trout. 

Or maybe he doesnt want to deal with what Harper and Machado are dealing with and it has nothing to do with it either way in the current climate?  

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1 hour ago, Torridd said:

I think successful teams in this era have a concentration on offense. Yes, pitching is important, but primarily you have to score runs.

I don’t disagree with that - but I feel our pitching needs far, far more help than our offense will over the next five years. 

After Canning, Suarez, and Sandoval, our pitching is either very far off, terrible, or mid-rotation at best. There’s a long way to go. And it may come together quickly like our offensive prospects did this last season, but pitching is much more volatile, prone to learning curves, and injuries. If we do have Trout, Ohtani, Adell, and Upton as half of our offense the next few years, we have a huge head start over most teams when it comes to building offense.

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1 hour ago, Stradling said:

I guess players no longer want to play close to home.  Good news for us signing Trout. 

Or, some players feel a loyalty to and comfort level with their current organization.  You could do a lot worse than Denver...

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33 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Which is another reason Trout will sign an extension. 

That is actually the first thing youve said on the subject that i can agree with.  Although its not another reason, its THE reason.
Many teams in the potential mix for him can offer the same money or potential for winning we could, those wont be the reasons he stays.   It will come down to him actually wanting to be here, and perhaps not wanting to deal with it.  Then again that may all change tomorrow if they actually do end up getting paid after all.  Still far too early to tell. 

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5 minutes ago, bruin5 said:

Or, some players feel a loyalty to and comfort level with their current organization.  You could do a lot worse than Denver...

Ok, same response.  

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3 hours ago, CanadianHalo said:

But I was told that we were going after Arenado and Gerrit Cole next off season! 

 

Seriously, sign Manny freaking Machado and cross 3rd base of the list of needs for the first time in what seems like forever. 

Yep

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4 hours ago, CanadianHalo said:

But I was told that we were going after Arenado and Gerrit Cole next off season! 

 

Who told you that?

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2 hours ago, totdprods said:

I don’t disagree with that - but I feel our pitching needs far, far more help than our offense will over the next five years. 

After Canning, Suarez, and Sandoval, our pitching is either very far off, terrible, or mid-rotation at best. There’s a long way to go. And it may come together quickly like our offensive prospects did this last season, but pitching is much more volatile, prone to learning curves, and injuries. If we do have Trout, Ohtani, Adell, and Upton as half of our offense the next few years, we have a huge head start over most teams when it comes to building offense.

I think the Angels are in a good position to spend on pitching regardless. If we figure a Trout extension pays him roughly what he's already making on a yearly basis right now, and Cahill and Harvey's 20 million are coming off the books, and Albert retires after this year like I think he will, and Calhoun's contract is off the books as well, the Angels may have 60 million a year to spend.

Harvey and Cahill satisfy the needs for a back end starter in 2019, but Canning, Suarez, Barria, and Sandoval have our depth needs covered in 2020 and beyond. So if we invest 20-25 million of it on another ace, and Skaggs, Heaney and Canning are all as good as I think they're going to be, the Angels will be an absolutely incredible team.

Imagine facing them in a playoff series and being opposed by Ohtani, Cole and the ace version of Skaggs we saw from the first half last year. Don't even bother bringing your bats to the game, you won't be using them.

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4 hours ago, totdprods said:

Personally I’d rather we spend any FA $$$ next year on pitching. 

I still think Trout will re-sign. Simmons likely as well. Upton will be here and will be solid. Ohtani will hit. I think Adell will hit. All we need from that is a little bit of luck with maybe two of the group from Ward, Thaiss, Rengifo, Fletcher, and Jones becoming at least average MLB hitters and we’d have a pretty solid offense. 

I’m not as confident in our SP core for the next 1-3 years. Skaggs hits FA in that time, and we should expect bumps for Barria, Suarez, Sandoval, and Canning - and injury risk will always be there. 

There’s a big SP crop next year. Signing an arm or two, especially someone with some frontline capability, would probably help us more.

I’d rather roll the dice on more of our hitting prospects right now - we have a lot more than imminent SP prospects.

Next year Houston will probably lose Verlander and Cole to FA, and Ohtani has a chance at being the next big thing in pitching. Next year has the makings of a very good year for the Angels with Adell in RF, and Canning joining Ohtani in the rotation.

Just would really like to make the playoffs this season and take the division next year and extend Trout to make him an Angel for life.

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